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	<description>A web based course management system</description>
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		<title>Comment on SLoCs by Erik Scheffers</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2009/11/slocs/comment-page-1/#comment-1654</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Scheffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, these metrics were done real quick with a bit of cat, grep, sed and wc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, these metrics were done real quick with a bit of cat, grep, sed and wc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SLoCs by Philip Roche</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2009/11/slocs/comment-page-1/#comment-1637</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Just wondering how you generated the metrics above - using sloccount per directory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Just wondering how you generated the metrics above &#8211; using sloccount per directory?</p>
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		<title>Comment on SLoCs by Erik Scheffers</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2009/11/slocs/comment-page-1/#comment-1516</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Scheffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly my point in my latest post (http://peach3.nl/blog/2010/03/largest-open-source-django-project/ ) ;-) 

For a Django project, a metric like the number of apps or models could be a better metric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly my point in my latest post (<a href="http://peach3.nl/blog/2010/03/largest-open-source-django-project/" rel="nofollow">http://peach3.nl/blog/2010/03/largest-open-source-django-project/</a> ) <img src='http://peach3.nl/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>For a Django project, a metric like the number of apps or models could be a better metric</p>
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		<title>Comment on SLoCs by David</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2009/11/slocs/comment-page-1/#comment-1513</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know exactly what was the intent of the post, but I&#039;ll comment on the metric itself.

The number of SLoC is a flawed metric for any piece of software: it abstracts many of the underlying complexity present in the craft of creating software. Depending on the skills and experience of the developer(s) writing the code, the exact same functionality can be written with a very different SLoC number count. 

How do we measure complexity ? Is complexity rather than the raw physical size of the codebase a better metric for the &quot;size&quot; of a piece of software ?

Of course there are algorithms to measure such things as cyclomatic complexity, but that does not evaluate the inherent complexity of the software, but the complexity within the logical paths coded in the application. More often than not, high numbers for such a metric is just a sign that something is wrong with the code : clean code will almost always tend to have a lower score for these analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know exactly what was the intent of the post, but I&#8217;ll comment on the metric itself.</p>
<p>The number of SLoC is a flawed metric for any piece of software: it abstracts many of the underlying complexity present in the craft of creating software. Depending on the skills and experience of the developer(s) writing the code, the exact same functionality can be written with a very different SLoC number count. </p>
<p>How do we measure complexity ? Is complexity rather than the raw physical size of the codebase a better metric for the &#8220;size&#8221; of a piece of software ?</p>
<p>Of course there are algorithms to measure such things as cyclomatic complexity, but that does not evaluate the inherent complexity of the software, but the complexity within the logical paths coded in the application. More often than not, high numbers for such a metric is just a sign that something is wrong with the code : clean code will almost always tend to have a lower score for these analysis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SLoCs by Erik Scheffers</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2009/11/slocs/comment-page-1/#comment-1503</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Scheffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it&#039;s not in trac, since it has a seperate mercurial repository, and trac can only be linked to one repository. 

The repository is at http://hg.peach3.nl/

I&#039;m planning on making a real release for django-pdfviewer someday. Currently its still a bit rough in some places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s not in trac, since it has a seperate mercurial repository, and trac can only be linked to one repository. </p>
<p>The repository is at <a href="http://hg.peach3.nl/" rel="nofollow">http://hg.peach3.nl/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m planning on making a real release for django-pdfviewer someday. Currently its still a bit rough in some places.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SLoCs by Gregor</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2009/11/slocs/comment-page-1/#comment-1472</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

You mention django-pdfviewer in this post. I cannot find the sourcecode in the trac for peach³. Maybe you can point me to where I can find it?

Would be really nice! Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>You mention django-pdfviewer in this post. I cannot find the sourcecode in the trac for peach³. Maybe you can point me to where I can find it?</p>
<p>Would be really nice! Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Largest open-source Django project by Henrique</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2010/03/largest-open-source-django-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Henrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are launching our product at my company right now (http://www.redecolibri.com/) and, while it&#039;s not as big as Lawrence and other sites that use Django, it&#039;s fairly complex.

It&#039;s a system for managing real estate information, coupled with customer sites in a SaaS fashion (each realtor gets their customizable site inside a subdomain). There&#039;s also a business network where realtors can partner with each other and share information. Something a bit different, as the target market is Brazil, and the real estate market is diverse here.

We are making using of a bunch of different Python and Django related tools. Full text search ORM + Tsearch2, GeoDjango + PostGIS, South, Pinax modules, ImageKit, Python image processing libraries, custom middlewares for SaaS, (many) caching frameworks for memcached and others, Amazon AWS API libraries, django_extensions jobs for billing and cleanup, Fabric deployment scripts, etc. All being developed and improved in record time.

It&#039;s really awesome how easy is to integrate stuff with Django, the framework barely stays in your way (as opposed to my past experiences with other frameworks, namely Rails :) ). For example, integrating GeoDjango with TSearch2, and being able to search properties using capabilities from both (coordinates and full text indexing) in the same QuerySet was a breeze. Definetly a success case for Django.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are launching our product at my company right now (<a href="http://www.redecolibri.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redecolibri.com/</a>) and, while it&#8217;s not as big as Lawrence and other sites that use Django, it&#8217;s fairly complex.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a system for managing real estate information, coupled with customer sites in a SaaS fashion (each realtor gets their customizable site inside a subdomain). There&#8217;s also a business network where realtors can partner with each other and share information. Something a bit different, as the target market is Brazil, and the real estate market is diverse here.</p>
<p>We are making using of a bunch of different Python and Django related tools. Full text search ORM + Tsearch2, GeoDjango + PostGIS, South, Pinax modules, ImageKit, Python image processing libraries, custom middlewares for SaaS, (many) caching frameworks for memcached and others, Amazon AWS API libraries, django_extensions jobs for billing and cleanup, Fabric deployment scripts, etc. All being developed and improved in record time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really awesome how easy is to integrate stuff with Django, the framework barely stays in your way (as opposed to my past experiences with other frameworks, namely Rails <img src='http://peach3.nl/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). For example, integrating GeoDjango with TSearch2, and being able to search properties using capabilities from both (coordinates and full text indexing) in the same QuerySet was a breeze. Definetly a success case for Django.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Largest open-source Django project by Erik Scheffers</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2010/03/largest-open-source-django-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Scheffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t know ohloh yet. Interesting site to compare projects. Just added peach³ to it (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ohloh.net/p/peach3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ohloh.net/p/peach3&lt;/a&gt;), and it&#039;s downloading the repository right now.

Let&#039;s see what the statistics are according to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t know ohloh yet. Interesting site to compare projects. Just added peach³ to it (<a href="http://www.ohloh.net/p/peach3" rel="nofollow">http://www.ohloh.net/p/peach3</a>), and it&#8217;s downloading the repository right now.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see what the statistics are according to them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Largest open-source Django project by Chris Moffitt</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2010/03/largest-open-source-django-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Moffitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satchmo has to be up there. According to ohloh - http://www.ohloh.net/p/satchmo

Satchmo has 144,000+ lines of code+ markup or 71,000+ for code only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satchmo has to be up there. According to ohloh &#8211; <a href="http://www.ohloh.net/p/satchmo" rel="nofollow">http://www.ohloh.net/p/satchmo</a></p>
<p>Satchmo has 144,000+ lines of code+ markup or 71,000+ for code only.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Largest open-source Django project by VidJa</title>
		<link>http://peach3.nl/blog/2010/03/largest-open-source-django-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator>VidJa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small projects can have a lot of models too. Back in 2008 and early 2009 I was accessing the Chado genome database scheme through the Django ORM. Despite the number of models (&gt; 300 at that time) is was easy to work with due to the structured setup of models. The project had only 6 apps and around 4000 lines of python code at the time I stopped working on the project. The project also had about 1000 lines of custom Javascript code. 

I can imagine longer running projects may have a substantial amount of javascript, flash or other non-python code. These should be counted as well since they are part of the working project.

What about documentation? In my view, lots of code with virtually no documentation is rated lower than a small, clear and well documented project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small projects can have a lot of models too. Back in 2008 and early 2009 I was accessing the Chado genome database scheme through the Django ORM. Despite the number of models (&gt; 300 at that time) is was easy to work with due to the structured setup of models. The project had only 6 apps and around 4000 lines of python code at the time I stopped working on the project. The project also had about 1000 lines of custom Javascript code. </p>
<p>I can imagine longer running projects may have a substantial amount of javascript, flash or other non-python code. These should be counted as well since they are part of the working project.</p>
<p>What about documentation? In my view, lots of code with virtually no documentation is rated lower than a small, clear and well documented project.</p>
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